To celebrate the release of the latest season of Trying, the hit show streaming on Apple TV+, we sat down with its impressive co-leads to find out whether three times a charm.

After a dramatic end to season two, the third season picks up with Nikki (BAFTA nominee Esther Smith) and Jason (SAG Award-nominee Rafe Spall) waking up as new parents to two children they are still getting to know. Now they just have to keep hold of them, which proves to be trickier than they initially thought. Thrown straight into the parental deep-end, Nikki and Jason’s relationships with each other and with their nearest and dearest are tested as they desperately try to navigate the ups and downs of parenting — while hanging onto their kids, and their sanity.

Chatting to Spall and Smith, we chat about the continued appeal of the show, breaking free from the shackles of “difficult second album” syndrome, the evolution of their characters and how the ending of its sophomore season has shaped them, what fans can expect and the twists coming their way and the harshness of having a child wanting to support a rival football team.

You can watch the full interview below:

Trying: Season Three begins streaming on July 22nd.